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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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669 for the 1st of august 2021

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richard saunders here coming to you from

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sydney australia in lockdown

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and happy birthday to all the horses

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august the first being the horse's

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birthday the reasoning

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says that irrefutable source of all

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knowledge the internet

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the reasoning was because horses were

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placed in races according to their age

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so it was

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therefore easier to have all the horse's

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deemed as august 1st of the year they

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although it began in the racing

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industries these days many breeds and

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competitions consider august 1st the

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horse's birthday

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happy birthday horses i wonder if all

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the cats in the world have the same

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birthday

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and yes it's 2021 not 2020.

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as i said last week on the show and when

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i see the news

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coming out from parts of the world

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the united states for example it's like

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2020 all over again

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the delta strain the delta variation the

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delta variant

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the delta evolution the covert evolution

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there must be lots of words i'll look at

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my thesaurus later

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is uh starting to well it's unwell in

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the way wreaking havoc in many parts of

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sydney is in its what is it now it's

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fifth week

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lockdown with no end in sight the

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numbers continue to grow fluctuating as

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but they are more or less on the uptick

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that is the number of new infections

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each day and i don't have very long to

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astrazeneca vaccination and then a

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that i will be as vaccinated as i can be

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i would much rather be spending my time

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uh visiting nice uh parks and gardens

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strolls i guess i can still do that in

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lockdown but very carefully

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in fact i went for a walk yesterday

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along a nice park but i was wearing my

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and so were a lot of other people which

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brings me to our first story we're going

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to look at the

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protest that wasn't now a week ago here

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in sydney just over a week ago there was

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a massive protest against

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the lockdown with people chanting

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freedom now or thinking they're

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fierce warriors or freedom fighters or

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something like that

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in the wind that would be another mass

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protest yesterday here in sydney

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it turned out to be a complete and utter

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flop the police were

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in uh out in force but uh really nobody

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and we'll also be looking at why some

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people are now full of regret

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following that it's news from australian

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skeptics with the australian skeptic's

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newsletter written and compiled by

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this week that segment will be read by

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adrian hill

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then we look at some more covert 19

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craziness with anti-vaccination

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letters and flies being put out by cliff

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the once politician larger-than-life

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businessman here in australia an

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unfortunate story indeed

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then we'll round off with the trove

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archives

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in australian history in the print

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to psychics and murder well that's

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at the moment before we get stuck into

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the show it's time for me to race

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like a horse have some oats

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the protest that wasn't

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now as i mentioned at the top of the

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show last week here in sydney there was

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amount of critical examination hadn't

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the big protest they would be met by

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the force of the force may the force be

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checks and things like that and so we

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i'm an idiot freedom fighter who

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and the bullet points anti-lockdown

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he reveals his closest friends think he

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an idiot the rally sparked widespread

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outrage as millions of others

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thousands of um tip-offs from the

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to identify the people who were at the

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rally and police are going around

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issuing um uh heavy fines it's quite

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she mrs barijiklian who is the premier

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unorthodox beliefs the video which has

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they they believe i'm an idiot

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i'm a dope and in

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recent weeks their theories of me

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they're still part of my life but i've

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and believe it or not they're right so

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why we don't respect

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his decision to protest and scream and

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yell and carry on

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at least he's been bold enough to front

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up and post something on social media to

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say how wrong

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he was and to relay the impact this is

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because he like thousands of other

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fell for the con which is conspiracy

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and speaking of regret um my friend

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celestia ward from squaring the strange

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podcast that fine podcast

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celestia lives in las vegas

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and i'm sure she won't mind has posted

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these words on social media

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she says was just watching a local news

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spot and a man in his 40s

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who just died he and his fiancee had

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vowed to wait a year before taking the

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they have five kids the youngest is one

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and then she and they rushed him to the

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er on blue diamond that's half a mile

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from me

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and celestia goes on to say the man

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worked at a resort not far from where

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and she goes on to say later on my

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neighbors are dying

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and so are yours if you have family

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friends co-workers hesitant to get

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please try to show them that waiting is

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more dangerous by orders of magnitude

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the bereaved mum of five got vaccinated

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immediately

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as did her oldest child monday night

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early tuesday morning i would say around

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three four o'clock in the morning

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he uh wakes me up panicking

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he's like i i can't breathe he's like i

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know he's like something's wrong he's

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like i can't breathe i'm

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he's like i tried to stand up and i fell

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over i'm following it i can't i don't

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know what's we got to go so i took him

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to the emergency room i took him to the

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dignity health just kept telling me

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you're going to get through this you got

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to come home to us

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but i was able to call him before they

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took him in and he was

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sat on the phone i was able to hear him

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i was like

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please keep fighting don't give up he's

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like i'm trying to fight he's like but

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they're gonna intimate and put me under

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we wanted to wait just one year from the

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release to see

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what effects people had but there was

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never any intention to not

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get it that was one of the last text

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messages he sent to me was that he

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wished he would have

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because even if it stopped a little bit

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of the symptoms

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it could have stopped it's progressing

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so fastly

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i expected to get 30 more years with him

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i didn't

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expect him to be gone

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and we're seeing more and more stories

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of this sort of regret people on

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ventilators gasping

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bitterly regretting their decision not

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to get vaccinated or bitterly regretting

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listening to conspiracy theorists as

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they um

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are in the emergency ward or in critical

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care

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what's the harm of believing in

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conspiracy theories

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this couple of years in the history of

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our society should teach us that lesson

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very clearly the harm is you could end

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up

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hi this is heidi robertson from the

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated to promoting good science and

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common sense in our region

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the far north coast of new south wales

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this area famous for its natural beauty

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and relaxed lifestyle

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also has the lowest rates of vaccination

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in australia

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we are out to change that by challenging

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the myths and misinformation

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and by providing good evidence-based

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information to the community

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we'd love for you no matter where you

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are in the world

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to join our fight please visit our

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webpage

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we also have a link there to our

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facebook page

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tweet us at nrvaxsupporters

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that's vax and check us out on wikipedia

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by searching for northern rivers

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hi everyone this is adrian hill and this

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week

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i'm reading the highlights from the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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written and compiled by tim mendem

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this is newsletter number 128

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which was posted on the 27th of july

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convention protesters energy healing

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misinformers and critical thinking

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hi all it says again

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a quiet fortnight which is probably a

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good thing considering the issues many

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of us are facing

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yes there is kovet but thank heavens for

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the pet psychic

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as in a psychic for pets not the sort of

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psychic

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that sleeps on an old blanket in the

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laundry

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although on second thoughts

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skepticon 2021 register your interests

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now registrations of interest are now

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open for skepticon

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the 2021 australian skeptic's annual

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national convention

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which this year will be held on november

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20th to 21st

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it will be a joint event held by

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australian skeptics in sydney australia

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and the new zealand skeptics in

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wellington new zealand

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with face-to-face and online

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participation available

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kobit willing note

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that of course should the current

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situation

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in sydney regarding coved and lockdowns

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continue

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then we may be forced to have an online

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only convention for the sydney component

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details of the speakers and ticket

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prices will be available soon

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but in the meantime please register your

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interest at skepticon.org.au

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that's skepticon.org.au

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so you can receive the latest info and

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there is a link

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anti-vaxxers promise more protests

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anti-lockdown protesters have promised

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to return

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in greater numbers for more

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demonstrations in coming weeks

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with plans for large gatherings

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nationwide including

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in sydney and canberra not good news

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at all

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lorna jane fined five million dollars

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for covid19

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prevention claims about its clothing

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australian clothing firm lorna jane has

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been fined five million dollars in the

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federal court

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for claiming its clothes prevent the

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transmission

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of kovit 19. the court labeled the claim

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predatory and exploitive the company

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claimed its antivirus activewear had

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been sprayed with a substance called

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lj shield which protected people against

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pathogens survey

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on reiki and energy healing

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bond university researchers are

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undertaking a survey

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entitled comparing attitudes towards

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energy healing and reiki

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amongst medical allied health

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professionals and the general public

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the research is part of a phd examining

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the risks

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and benefits of complementary medicine

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and less orthodox practices such as

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energy healing and reiki

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feel free to complete the survey which

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takes about

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10 minutes and don't forget that each of

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these items in the newsletter

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is accompanied by a link most

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influential spreader of coronavirus

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misinformation

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joseph mercola tops the disinformation

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dozen

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a list of 12 people responsible for

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sharing 65 percent

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of all anti-vaccine messaging on social

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media

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conspiracy theorists lack critical

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thinking skills

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the more people believe in conspiracy

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theories

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the worse they perform on critical

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thinking tests a new study has confirmed

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this doesn't mean that conspiracy

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theorists are

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necessarily lacking intelligence but

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rather that they lack the skills

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to objectively analyze and evaluate a

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the june 2021 issue of the skeptic

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the magazine from australian skeptics is

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out with a major feature

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on why people believe as opposed to what

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they believe

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what psychologists and science leaders

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think the legal

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implications of holding beliefs and case

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studies of the victory of belief over

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reason

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we also look at the myths and

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conspiracies associated with the port

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arthur massacre

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that tragic event which occurred 25

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years ago

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and much more to read

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events while some skeptic groups

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are running their regular skeptics in

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the pub get-togethers

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online same talks but byo beer

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an increasing number are returning to

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the live face-to-face format

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check your local guides to see when and

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where such activities are on

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or if they are on considering any covet

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restrictions events listed for sydney

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melbourne canberra and other locations

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in

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haven't noticed any psychic animals

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picking winners

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at the olympics probably because it's

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more than a one and two choice in most

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travel tip for some time in the future

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paranormal dublin 16 of the most

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haunted spots think churches pubs

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and castles stereotypical irish stuff

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pet psychics predictions for next year

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pet psychic samantha milnes who did four

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whole tests to qualify as an animal

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communicator

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predicts a good year for guinea pigs and

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budgies

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a bad year for staffordshire terriers

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and

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goldfish are going to be dead in the

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water

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now there is much more to read and you

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can enjoy the australian skeptics

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newsletter

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www.skeptics.com.edu

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hi this is susan gerbic from gsow that's

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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i want to thank everyone who via the

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skeptic zone podcast

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has contacted me to become an editor on

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together we have worked on or created

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over 1200 wikipedia pages

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countless thousands of people all over

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the world access those pages each day

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in fact we're over 52 million page views

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like many listeners i also give back to

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the skeptic zone via monthly micro

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and i want to encourage you to do the

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same is the information

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and entertainment you get each week from

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the show worth five or ten dollars a

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i sure think it is follow the link at

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skepticzone.tv

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and show your practical support thank

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[Music]

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now with more bad news coming out of

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sydney coming out of new south wales

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about the covert numbers

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it's very scary very worrying to be in

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this neck of the woods i can tell you

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and what doesn't help what really

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doesn't help

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are what i'm seeing posted here online

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people are getting in their letterboxes

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letters mass mail out

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from apparently clive palmer now we've

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spoken about clive palmer on the show

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before the ex-politician

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from the palmer united party whose motto

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was

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slogan anyway make australia great again

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firmly a anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist

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and in a large envelope that says

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in big bold letters to the adult

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householder

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urgent communication opened sealed

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section to view

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exclamation mark and the first page we

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have a picture of some poor person in

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hospital

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and it says covert 19 vaccine

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not safe not effective not approved

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learn the truth below before making a

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decision that could hurt

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you and your family since the beginning

576
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,960
of the vaccine roll out to

577
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,240
20 june 2021 the therapeutics goods

578
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:38,559
administration has received

579
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,159
318 reports of death in people who have

580
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,039
recently been vaccinated in australia

581
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they received 31

582
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:49,039
641 reports of adverse events and

583
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,600
there's a

584
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:52,799
little link to a government website

585
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,559
of course this is absolutely putting it

586
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,159
out of context

587
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:01,360
that naturally normally people

588
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,480
simply die in the community every year

589
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,000
and a percentage of those people would

590
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,000
have had the covert vaccine

591
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,559
regardless people simply grow old and

592
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:12,080
die or die of other

593
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:15,919
reasons so that is

594
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,360
absolutely misleading the next page says

595
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:22,080
you can say no no one can force you to

596
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:22,400
do

597
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,240
anything the owner of your body and mind

598
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,760
is you with little graphics showing

599
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,480
vaccination the next one is showing a

600
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,000
group of people with one

601
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,400
with a target of a gunsight cross head

602
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:37,679
on them so i'm not sure what that's

603
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,039
about the next one is a a clock

604
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,640
i guess that means curfew or stay at

605
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,640
home the next one are a male and female

606
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,120
wearing

607
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,960
face masks so you don't have to wear

608
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,559
face masks i guess

609
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,360
the next symbol is one meaning social

610
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,360
distancing so forget that

611
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,679
and finally we have an iphone or an

612
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:56,640
idevice or a

613
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,919
smartphone with a qr code so don't worry

614
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,720
about those

615
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,520
no no no down the bottom there are laws

616
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,600
that provide protection for you to say

617
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,640
no

618
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,159
and there appear to be more pages to

619
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,600
this but i'll get to the last one

620
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,039
apparently the last one

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00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,559
australians have the right to be fully

622
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,039
informed informed consent is a

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00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:17,200
fundamental prerequisite for any medical

624
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,919
treatment

625
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,520
australia has signed the international

626
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,919
conventions guaranteeing such consent

627
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:24,080
there are serious questions to be asked

628
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,039
over the

629
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,600
financial and other interests of the

630
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,919
therapeutics goods administration's

631
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,799
so-called expert committees i am sure in

632
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,840
the future that

633
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,159
those committees will be shown not to be

634
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,760
as independent as

635
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,760
they should be and not to contain

636
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:42,240
experts from all states and all

637
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,080
relevant universities yours faithfully

638
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,559
clive palmer and there is more

639
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,520
information

640
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
cherry picked from government websites

641
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,880
to try and put the picture that people

642
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,880
who have had the vaccine

643
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,440
doing very poorly and down the bottom

644
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,880
only one death from covert 19 in 2021

645
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,840
well now sadly since that's been written

646
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,120
that number is growing

647
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:10,880
every day the next line

648
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,990
the next line 318 deaths after covert 19

649
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,679
vaccine dot dot dot

650
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,440
and 31 600 adverse reactions

651
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,120
why has the government given doctors

652
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,200
indemnity if the cover 19

653
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,279
vaccine causes you harm or death

654
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,799
question mark

655
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,679
and the link at the bottom they want you

656
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:36,640
to go to

657
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,440
about covert

658
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,360
vaccines.com all right i'll bite i'll

659
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,480
have a look

660
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,840
uh the truth about covert vaccines

661
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,320
informed consent is important the tga

662
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,000
reports 300

663
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,679
plus deaths following administration of

664
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:55,600
the covert vaccine since february and

665
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,159
and

666
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,279
sort of repeating the the information

667
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,640
from the uh the mail out plus lots of

668
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,760
other

669
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,080
former mail outs and urgent

670
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:08,720
communications and letters and

671
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:12,240
links and videos and so on and i wonder

672
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,279
why

673
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:16,080
this sort of this sort of thing is

674
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,200
allowed to continue

675
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,000
this was even picked up on media watch

676
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,919
the media watchdog program here in

677
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,799
australia

678
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,360
about clive palmer's antics and false

679
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,230
so with things going from bad to worse

680
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,399
to very worst to very very very worse

681
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:34,960
here especially in sydney

682
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,840
it just is galling to see that this

683
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,520
character this cliff palmer make

684
00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:41,360
australia great again

685
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:43,960
is continuing to disseminate his

686
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:54,549
and now thanks to one of my ever alert

687
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,159
listeners graham donald graham has sent

688
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,080
me this bit of information

689
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,799
and he writes i saw this story on yahoo

690
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,760
news

691
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,080
and thought you'd might like to know

692
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,000
about how anti-vaxxers are trying to set

693
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,760
up a facebook campaign to encourage

694
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,399
people to

695
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:13,440
falsely register for vaccination in an

696
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,480
attempt

697
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
to waste vaccines and if we pop over to

698
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,760
yahoo news

699
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,760
i'll link to this on the show notes so

700
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,520
you can see this for yourself

701
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,200
the news item which was published on

702
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,840
thursday the 29th of july

703
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,960
facebook users disturbing ploy to waste

704
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,600
thousands of vaccines as reported by

705
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:35,919
rebecca davis

706
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,440
and in part it says a disturbing post

707
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,360
has been circulating on facebook which

708
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,440
encourages anti-vaxxers to book covert

709
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,000
19 vaccination appointments

710
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,039
and not show up in a bid

711
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,399
to waste supply a facebook user

712
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,440
has screenshot a geelong advertiser

713
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,000
article about hundreds of vaccine no

714
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,279
shows in victoria

715
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,880
and written quote how to play their game

716
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,919
and quote over the image comments on the

717
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:06,559
post

718
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,159
which are captioned do it include

719
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,200
great idea just made a booking

720
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,679
and maybe we should flood their phones

721
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:16,880
with fake bookings

722
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,080
and fake names and phone numbers

723
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,919
the controversial call to action

724
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:23,279
controversial

725
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,520
since been shared across multiple groups

726
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,559
by other facebook users urging others to

727
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,320
report the content

728
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,360
quote they are booking vaccinations only

729
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,640
to not show up

730
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,640
this is terrible and needs to be

731
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,679
reported

732
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:44,320
and darn right the most disturbing

733
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,200
behavior

734
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:48,559
that the cult has come up with in this

735
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,360
pandemic

736
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:52,880
and quote one person posted one person

737
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:56,080
and they're not far wrong in certain

738
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,520
respects

739
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,679
the anti-vaccination movement certainly

740
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:01,360
has all the hallmarks

741
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,360
of a a cult and later on it says health

742
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,360
authorities disappointed over ploy to

743
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,360
waste vaccines

744
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,039
in a statement to yahoo news the

745
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,960
department of health said the australian

746
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,559
government does not endorse this

747
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:15,760
behavior

748
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,200
well that's hardly a shock and the quote

749
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,279
here is it is disappointing to hear that

750
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,840
people are actively taking steps to

751
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,600
jeopardize the operation of these

752
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,080
businesses and placing greater strain on

753
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,600
vaccination rollout

754
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,600
impacting the safety of their family

755
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,440
friends and local communities

756
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,960
it is important for australians to have

757
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,720
access to credible and timely

758
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,600
information about covert 19 vaccines

759
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,080
we encourage everyone to follow health

760
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:44,080
advice and get their vaccination as soon

761
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,039
as possible

762
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,159
if they are eligible and there's more

763
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,399
to read there in that article but if

764
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,440
you're interested

765
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,360
you can just follow the link in the show

766
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,880
notes this week

767
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,519
now this segment of the show is being

768
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:58,720
recorded

769
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,640
before the weekend and

770
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,480
i don't know what's going to happen on

771
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,840
saturday

772
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:08,480
by the time you hear this you may well

773
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,039
know

774
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,919
and i may well put whatever happens in

775
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,360
on saturday here in sydney

776
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,760
before this in the um running of the

777
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,480
skeptic zone this week

778
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,640
and of course i'm referring to the

779
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:21,840
threats of another

780
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,840
mass protest for freedom and so on

781
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,760
which threatens to be yet another super

782
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:29,919
spreader event because delta variation

783
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,159
of

784
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,640
covert 19 is a different ball game

785
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,080
altogether

786
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,919
and one of the tangents to this story

787
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,919
all sorts of announcements are going up

788
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,760
and posts on facebook and things like

789
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:42,559
that

790
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,880
somebody has posted on a

791
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,960
on a group community service

792
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,080
announcement

793
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,279
calling all freedom loving patriots

794
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:55,200
of the macarthur region who have

795
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,480
received

796
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,760
face mask fines for the first 18 months

797
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,960
of the pandemic

798
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,440
in capital letters you must contest your

799
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,960
fines in court

800
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,760
now just goes on with uh some more

801
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,000
waffle about face masks and hazards and

802
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,360
things like that

803
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,240
and ends with thanks patriots for your

804
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,159
messages of support my inbox has been

805
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:18,240
overwhelmed with messages of support and

806
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,200
encouragement

807
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,480
i will endeavor to reply to each one

808
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:25,200
thanks but what i'm pointing out here is

809
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:25,679
the word

810
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,600
patriot i mean this is not a term we

811
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,320
would normally use in australia calling

812
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,720
all freedom loving patriots

813
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,960
this is american language this is terms

814
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,080
they use in america where they're

815
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,720
running down the street yelling freedom

816
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:43,760
um

817
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:47,120
born from of course their uh war of

818
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,320
independence

819
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,320
and still carried to this day by many

820
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:52,080
people in that country

821
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,399
where it's almost a fanaticism

822
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,720
it's a little hard for australians to

823
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,000
comprehend sometimes

824
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:02,320
but this language calling on all freedom

825
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,440
loving patriots

826
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,799
that's lifted straight out of some

827
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:07,200
american post you'd almost have to be

828
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,159
sure

829
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
and it's sort of aligned to with the

830
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,760
sovereign citizen movement which has

831
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,440
infected this country

832
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:16,080
where people are for example pulled over

833
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:17,360
by the police

834
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,120
for a faulty brake light or

835
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,880
going over the speed limit or or

836
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,320
whatever the case

837
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,480
and they start showing papers printed

838
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,760
straight off the internet

839
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,799
about freedom of movement and sovereign

840
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,399
citizens rights and i'm not part of the

841
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,080
corporation and i didn't sign a contract

842
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,919
and all this sort of stuff

843
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,440
so it seems to me these people have a

844
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,519
lot of time to download material from

845
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,960
the united states and look at youtube

846
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,640
videos but they don't seem to have too

847
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,440
much time to

848
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,960
actually read the australian

849
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,559
constitution

850
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,399
and know what their true rights and

851
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,360
freedoms are in this country

852
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,919
and it's worth repeating of all the

853
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,320
things that the skeptical movement has

854
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,240
been engaged with fighting over the

855
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,760
years maybe the most

856
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,760
important is fighting misinformation

857
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,840
when it comes to conspiracy theories

858
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:05,919
because conspiracy theories certainly

859
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:08,960
lie at the root of many of the

860
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:13,090
strange and crazy behavior we see these

861
00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:24,629
days

862
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,349
hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the

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[Music]

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now let's head back to the trove

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archives

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at trove.nla.gov

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for those digitized newspapers and

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magazines and so on

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catalogued and stored by the national

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library of australia

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and free for you to peruse online

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just like i do each week to find

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interesting stories from history

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related to the paranormal and skeptical

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spheres and sort of

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trailing on from last week's theme of

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psychics and police

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this week i thought we'd look up

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murder

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and one of the first uh returns doing

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that search

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brings us to the canberra times

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on the 28th of march 1990

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and the story relating to probably the

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most famous missing persons cases in

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australian history

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which is that of the beaumont children

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[Music]

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no trace of the children has ever been

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found and why this is particularly

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interesting to skeptics is that there

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have been a long

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trail of psychics a long line

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a long group of psychics whatever you

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call a group of psychics over the

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decades

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claiming to have information about these

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children including the most famous

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and dutch psychic at the time

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who visited adelaide about a year after

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the children went missing

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now i wrote about this whole situation

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the beaumont children and

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various psychics in the pages of the

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skeptic magazine the journal from

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australian skeptics

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and i shall link to that issue in this

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week's show notes if you want to read

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more about this

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famous case and the psychics involved

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psychic quote sees and quote missing

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sa children essay of course meaning

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south australia

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adelaide police will interview a woman

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today who claims

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psychic powers have led her to the

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burial place of

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five missing adelaide children the

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beaumonts

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christy gordon and joanne radcliffe

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june cox 51 and incidentally

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i think she was mentioned in a story in

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last week's trove segment

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yes june cox 51

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said yesterday that she had spoken to

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police this week telling them

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she believed she knew where the bodies

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could be found

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on crown land near the myponga

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reservoir in the adelaide hills

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and for those of you who are wondering

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crown land means

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government land she said the children

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had

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haunted her for 11 years with visions of

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where they were

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buried mrs cox said

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she had also had visions connecting the

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disappearance

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of the children in 1966 and 1973

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and the 1979 murder of alan

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barnes and the 1972 drowning of dr

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george duncan the beaumont children jane

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9

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anna 7 and grant four disappeared from a

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suburban beach 24 years ago

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christy gordon and joanne radcliffe were

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abducted from

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adelaide oval in 1973 despite

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intensive investigations their bodies

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have never been found

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two weeks ago in the adelaide

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magistrates court a man already

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imprisoned for murder

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and also charged in connection with the

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barnes killing

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was linked with the disappearance of the

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five children

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a witness told the court that 43 year

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old homosexual bevan

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spencer von enum had admitted

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to him that he had killed the children

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and dumped their bodies in the

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myponga reservoir mrs cox said she

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believed the children were not actually

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in the reservoir

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but in shallow graves nearby she said

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the children had talked to her

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because they wanted their souls at rest

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asked why she had not come forward

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earlier

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she said i firmly believe that

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everything has its time

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and a quick search for june cox brings

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us results dating back only a couple of

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years so

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uh apparently she is still

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doing the uh the rounds well at least

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she was a few years

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back in any case what i can gather from

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that

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at least at the time was it was probably

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a case of somebody who

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really did believe they had um magical

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powers and could

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receive messages from the dead and so on

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but let's go further back in time from

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the 90s we go back to

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the 1930s queensland

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times ipswich in queensland dated the

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29th of january 1936.

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jack the ripper discovery by psychic

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science

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a man wearing a scotch tweed suit and

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light overcoat with a dark felt hat

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pulled down over his eyes

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stepped onto a bus at notting hill in

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london

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and just quickly it's interesting here

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in this

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report the word bus begins

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with an apostrophe because

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it is an abbreviation of the word

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omnibus

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so in the 1930s in some situations

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they were calling it a bus but making

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sure to remember that it's a longer word

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which has been

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shortened that's interesting when the

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bus pulled up at lancaster gate

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a man in front leaned over to his wife

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and said

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that man in the opposite corner is jack

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the ripper

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don't be idiotic his wife retorted

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i am not i know it i feel it

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the husband was so confident states a

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london evening news writer

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that he trailed the stranger from marble

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arch

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and asked a policeman to arrest him the

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police

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00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:54,720
man scoffed that was in 1883

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00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,640
physician of standing today mr edwin

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t woodhall formerly of new scotland yard

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claims that the husband was right

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he was a clairvoyant who had led the

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yard

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to the home of the killer in a black

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japan

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box somewhere in the archives of the

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british home office

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there are the confidential papers

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concerning the identity of the most

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mysterious and spectacular murder of the

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past 100 years

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mr woodhall writes speculation has

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always been

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rife as to jack the ripper's identity

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he was never brought to justice and it

1052
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,119
is commonly believed

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00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:35,359
that the police were as ignorant as were

1054
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:36,319
the public

1055
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,480
as to who this prowling maniacal butcher

1056
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,760
really was

1057
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,520
actually the supernatural powers of

1058
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,200
clairvoyance resulted

1059
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,839
in the tracking down of jack the ripper

1060
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my claim

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is that he was tracked down by a

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clairvoyant and

1063
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that his identity was known to

1064
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authorities

1065
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,839
the name of this clairvoyant was robert

1066
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:58,560
james

1067
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,079
lees he enjoyed royal patronage

1068
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:04,079
and was received more than once at both

1069
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,119
bowel moral

1070
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:08,079
and buckingham palace by queen victoria

1071
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:08,960
for his

1072
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,920
wonderful public work in tracing and

1073
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,640
arresting

1074
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:15,599
jack the ripper he until the day of his

1075
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,000
death

1076
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,839
received a pension from the privy purse

1077
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:22,319
nearly 50 years ago unknown to the

1078
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,119
general public

1079
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,079
a court of about a dozen well-known

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medical men of the highest integrity

1081
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and standing held an inquiry concerning

1082
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,160
the alleged

1083
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,200
insanity of jack the ripper it was

1084
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,960
definitely proved that he was a

1085
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:39,520
physician of high standing who lived in

1086
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:40,079
a

1087
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,400
opposite effect

1088
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,000
this grew on him and he took the

1089
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,640
fiercest delight in inflicting torture

1090
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,640
on all kinds of dumb and defenseless

1091
00:44:03,030 --> 00:43:59,680
animals

1092
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,040
it appears he was subject to sudden and

1093
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,319
unconquerable moods by a strange

1094
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,359
contradiction

1095
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,319
he was in his normal moods the most

1096
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,720
refined and gentle of men

1097
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,200
mr woodhall recounts that when in his

1098
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,800
study one evening the clairvoyant

1099
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,560
suddenly went into a trance

1100
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:22,160
and wrote down all the details of one of

1101
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,280
the rippers

1102
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,000
crimes the facts were reported to

1103
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,000
scotland yard

1104
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:31,359
trail picked up the clairvoyant

1105
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:35,280
later felt the same queer indescribable

1106
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,240
feeling

1107
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,359
in the bus at lancaster gate

1108
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,240
and again reported it to the police in

1109
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,319
official communications that morning

1110
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,520
there had been an anonymous card

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00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,520
saying that the ripper would be in the

1112
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,960
west end about

1113
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,760
that time he had subsequent visions

1114
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,560
about the

1115
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,440
ripper and finally he was taken by the

1116
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,599
police to the scene of one of the

1117
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,400
murders

1118
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:03,119
presently he rose and his eyes stared

1119
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,319
into vacancy

1120
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,200
moved off rapidly in a westerly

1121
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,319
direction

1122
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,119
he had picked up the psychic trail mr

1123
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,640
woodhall adds

1124
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:15,359
followed by the officials he walked mile

1125
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,480
after mile

1126
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,880
never once hesitating until he reached

1127
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
the street in the west end of london

1128
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,119
here outside a big imposing looking

1129
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,720
house he stopped

1130
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:27,599
reeled and would have fallen but for the

1131
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,240
support

1132
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,160
of the inspector in there he gasps

1133
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,760
the murderer the inspector's heart sank

1134
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,960
so the night's work the result of which

1135
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:39,359
had

1136
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,680
wasted after all for this house before

1137
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,359
which the little group stood

1138
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,119
was the residence of a very famous

1139
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,640
london physician

1140
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,640
the clairvoyant however was so

1141
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,640
persistent in his claim

1142
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,520
and moreover gave the inspector such

1143
00:46:03,030 --> 00:45:59,680
startling corroboration

1144
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:03,040
by describing accurately the interior of

1145
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:03,760
the house

1146
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:07,920
that it was decided to take a chance

1147
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,680
lengthy questioning of the doctor's wife

1148
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,480
brought to light the most amazing jeklen

1149
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,560
hyde story ever heard

1150
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,200
i have no actual proof of its truth but

1151
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,119
during my years at the yard

1152
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:24,800
it was more than once recounted to me

1153
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,319
as i have related and i have

1154
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:31,440
not the smallest doubt it is true and

1155
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:31,920
that

1156
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,280
psychic science even 43 years ago

1157
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:38,079
was enabled to step in where police work

1158
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,560
had

1159
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,040
lamentably failed and led to the

1160
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,400
incarceration

1161
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,920
of one of the world's worst criminal

1162
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,119
lunatics mr woodhall concludes his

1163
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:52,960
account of the ripper episode the doctor

1164
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,000
after being certified insane was

1165
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,640
placed in a private asylum in a london

1166
00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:59,839
cemetery

1167
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,040
reposes an empty coffin said to contain

1168
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,960
the remains of the famous west end

1169
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,680
physician

1170
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:08,800
whose death at an early age was mourned

1171
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:12,480
by london and the medical world

1172
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:16,560
jack the ripper hmm that might be worthy

1173
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:16,800
of

1174
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:20,079
a another search one day references to

1175
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,119
psychics and

1176
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,720
specifically jack the ripper i can only

1177
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,000
guess how many times over the decades

1178
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,839
and decades

1179
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,920
so-called psychics have come forward

1180
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,880
saying

1181
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,880
they knew the identity of jack the

1182
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:36,559
ripper

1183
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,400
in the year 1937 on the 22nd of june

1184
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,720
in the barrier minor from broken hill

1185
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,720
western australia

1186
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:47,839
psychic seas body of w lavers

1187
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,520
sydney tuesday arthur ford an american

1188
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,000
psychic addressing a meeting of three

1189
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:56,079
thousand people at sydney town hall last

1190
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,720
night

1191
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,880
declared he had located the body of

1192
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,520
william henry lavers

1193
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,680
who was murdered at grenfell last

1194
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,720
september

1195
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,800
he added his body was lying almost

1196
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,319
beneath a fence

1197
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,319
buried two miles from the store at which

1198
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,680
he was murdered

1199
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,000
the body was carefully buried it was

1200
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,680
near a ridge

1201
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,440
he asserted that the position of the

1202
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:19,680
body had been revealed to him

1203
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:22,880
as he stood in a quote clairaudient and

1204
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,319
quote state before the audience he also

1205
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:28,559
said he heard someone calling the name

1206
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,359
of

1207
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,559
phoebe priddle the voice

1208
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,599
was that of her aunt mrs alvina

1209
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,480
a woman in the body of the hall

1210
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:40,240
indicated that she was

1211
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,160
mrs priddle she said she had never

1212
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,440
been interested in spiritualism neither

1213
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,000
she

1214
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,119
nor her husband had even seen

1215
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,160
nor communicated with ford before she

1216
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,400
said it was amazing when ford called

1217
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,880
out her name adding that her aunt had

1218
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,480
died 12 months ago

1219
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:03,680
the latter said before her death that

1220
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,079
she

1221
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,440
was interested in spiritualism and that

1222
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,920
if she could ever get a message through

1223
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:11,359
medium to them

1224
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,680
she would do so they laughed it off

1225
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,640
and i keep thinking to myself when i'm

1226
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,480
reading these reports

1227
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:23,920
and this one from 1937 how much i would

1228
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:24,319
have

1229
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:28,640
sydney town hall

1230
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,079
all those years ago and finally we

1231
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,000
arrive in the year 1954

1232
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,280
written in the pages of the sunday times

1233
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,839
from perth western australia and the

1234
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,000
date is the 30th of may

1235
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:45,440
a sunday and in the magazine

1236
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,119
section he says

1237
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:52,480
that he's buried in the backyard

1238
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,319
murdered man writes to perth woman

1239
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,640
the decaying body of a murdered man is

1240
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,640
buried in the backyard of a premises in

1241
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,400
williams street perth

1242
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,480
a man was killed in a gambling brawl

1243
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
many years ago

1244
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,760
a greying well spoken fifty-year-old

1245
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,599
woman living at manning park

1246
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:12,160
expressed this opinion yesterday when

1247
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,200
she spoke

1248
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,240
of persistent psychic communications

1249
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,440
she had received from the spirit of a

1250
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,400
dead man

1251
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,880
who had pleaded with her to unearth his

1252
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,960
body to notify his wife

1253
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:27,520
and to see that she his wife was well

1254
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,160
cared

1255
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,720
for the remainder of her physical life

1256
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,200
she

1257
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,200
is mrs v utst who specializes in

1258
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,920
renting haunted houses and who in many

1259
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,400
ways

1260
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,800
was the most interested of dozens who

1261
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,960
applied to the sunday times

1262
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:46,319
for the tenancy of a reputed haunted

1263
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,480
house at netherlands mrs

1264
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,599
showed a sunday times reporter quote

1265
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:56,079
spirit writing and quote she had

1266
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:56,960
executed

1267
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:00,640
during medium sessions in each of two

1268
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,079
quote haunted end quote houses

1269
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,480
in which she had lived for periods of

1270
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,160
several years

1271
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,000
the most startling was one which

1272
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:11,440
purported to be

1273
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,800
that of a tall dark man of medium age

1274
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,599
who was killed in a gambler's brawl at

1275
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,839
spearwood in 1929

1276
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,920
and was subsequently buried in a

1277
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,839
backyard in williams street

1278
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,240
the beginning of one of his letters is

1279
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,839
shown above

1280
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,280
and incidentally that relates to

1281
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,520
a reproduction of a handwritten note

1282
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,280
which is very hard to decipher

1283
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,960
unfortunately but it says something

1284
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,240
along the lines

1285
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,520
yes i am here but you did not dig

1286
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:44,640
deep enough it will take time

1287
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,920
i am mainly underneath

1288
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,960
washed through it will

1289
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:54,240
take all your strength and

1290
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,000
enough to reach me

1291
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,319
courage and enough and courage to reach

1292
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,520
me it's very hard to read this

1293
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:03,440
handwriting

1294
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,680
how can you dig underneath it

1295
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,839
it's very difficult to read but it says

1296
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,760
something like that

1297
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,520
now you can dig underneath i think it

1298
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:15,680
says we read on

1299
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,200
the message which is quite long goes on

1300
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,280
to outline the circumstances of the

1301
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,319
man's death

1302
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:24,319
speaks of the man's connections in south

1303
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,359
africa

1304
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:28,640
and of life generally in quote

1305
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,839
the other sphere end quote the letter is

1306
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,880
signed

1307
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,880
this is one of many such communications

1308
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,520
mrs ucht maintains she has received in

1309
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,200
the past while holding

1310
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,839
the tenancy of premises with a

1311
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,920
reputation for being haunted

1312
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,960
others purport to be from the spirits of

1313
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,880
other deceased persons

1314
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,200
who were strangers to her the letters

1315
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,200
are in different writings

1316
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,480
although all were executed by the hand

1317
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:57,839
of mrs erst

1318
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:01,440
mrs urst told of her experiences in the

1319
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,160
most

1320
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:04,640
objective fashion she wished to make

1321
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,440
clear

1322
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,079
that she is not and never has been a

1323
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,559
professional medium or fortune teller

1324
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,200
and is not now in fact practicing

1325
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,880
spiritualism

1326
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,119
she looks upon her own receipt of the

1327
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,720
messages mentioned

1328
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,520
dubiously but she declares that she

1329
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,400
received them

1330
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,240
in early seances when approaching the

1331
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,359
subject with an open inquiring mind

1332
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,520
and she makes no secret of the fact that

1333
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,720
although she

1334
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:33,040
is little more than an amateur in this

1335
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,920
field

1336
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:36,000
she is inclined to a belief in

1337
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,119
spiritualism

1338
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,920
and feels that she and some other

1339
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:41,359
members of her

1340
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,720
intimate family are possessed

1341
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,440
of a rare gift most of her sons and

1342
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,960
daughters she points out

1343
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,119
are able to recall many everyday

1344
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:53,680
instances of telepathy

1345
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,280
with their mother mrs erdst has

1346
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:00,720
never approached the cib with her

1347
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,000
spiritual evidence of murder because she

1348
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:05,920
realizes police could not

1349
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,760
operate on such an intangible

1350
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:12,480
complaint within the framework of her

1351
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,119
subject

1352
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:16,480
she told her story rationally

1353
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,000
it could be she posed some manifestation

1354
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,520
of my subconscious

1355
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:24,240
taking control of me at certain times

1356
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,559
but

1357
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:27,520
thought waves mrs reminds her own

1358
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,079
somewhat

1359
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:31,200
skeptical self set up brain actions

1360
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:31,839
which

1361
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,200
can be recorded what else mrs

1362
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,480
utch's chief problem at the moment is to

1363
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,200
secure satisfactory accommodation for

1364
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,559
some members of her large

1365
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:45,440
family of married and unmarried children

1366
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,000
they need

1367
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,799
good sound tangible roofs over their

1368
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,720
equally tangible heads

1369
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,200
at present some members are living in

1370
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,760
deplorable circumstances in the back of

1371
00:55:04,470 --> 00:54:56,559
a

1372
00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:04,480
quit

1373
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,960
mrs utzt told the story of her previous

1374
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,799
experiences in haunted houses in the

1375
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,520
hopes that

1376
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,079
someone who cannot let a house because

1377
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,680
of its reputation

1378
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,319
will give her family the tendency of

1379
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,040
such a residence for instance

1380
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,400
the reputed haunted house in netherlands

1381
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:27,920
mrs utz will placate the ghosts

1382
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:31,040
or spirits if they do exist in order to

1383
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:31,920
give it a real

1384
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:35,359
spring or winter cleaning for some of

1385
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,160
her sons

1386
00:55:42,350 --> 00:55:40,319
or daughters and here's wishing her luck

1387
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,360
byline qs

1388
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,599
[Music]

1389
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,160
and incidentally on the story itself

1390
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:50,079
there's a photograph of mrs woods

1391
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:53,920
looking a little bit bewildered

1392
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,480
i must say

1393
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,480
and there we have it for another week an

1394
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,760
interesting look through the trove

1395
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,599
archives i'm tempted

1396
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,599
now to look for references to jack the

1397
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,640
ripper

1398
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,760
and psychics uh why not

1399
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,359
maybe that'll be next week or i might

1400
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,960
continue looking for other

1401
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,599
angles and interesting stories that come

1402
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,400
up

1403
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:23,760
when we research the paranormal in

1404
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,200
the print history of australia

1405
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:29,119
and you too can search for all sorts of

1406
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:30,240
things by visiting

1407
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,680
trove at trove.nla.gov.edu

1408
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:38,079
and spend many hours looking through

1409
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:39,119
those archives

1410
00:56:46,580 --> 00:57:01,109
[Music]

1411
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,630
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1412
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,880
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1413
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,480
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1414
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,400
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1415
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,480
i'm sure you know they go out for their

1416
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uh to uh keep the show going as uh i've

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mentioned before

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during the lockdown all my other work

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has dried up gone away

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having a little rest gone on holiday

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maybe escape to the antarctic where

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there's no

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coronavirus as far as i know and so i

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don't uh all my

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other sources of income aren't coming in

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so i do rely quite a lot on

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you lovely horses and people and some

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people

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skepticzone.tv

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and if you're not one of them

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i encourage you to be one and i guess it

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comes down to if you enjoy the show if

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you get something out of it if it means

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something to you if you listen to it

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each week

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you learn something you have a laugh

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along the way then maybe it's worth at

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least a dollar

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or two a week for you or do you

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no matter where you are in the world you

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can tune in this week to

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skeptics in the pub here in sydney our

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special guest speaker will be

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associate professor paul willis a long

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time friend of the skeptics a former

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skeptic of the year

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paleontologist paul willis and you can

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find out more information

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on that talk which will be thursday

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night here

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in sydney australian time but since it's

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online you can see that anywhere

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around the world on the australian

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skeptics twitch

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page and just go to meetup.com look for

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australian skeptics i'll put a link in

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the show notes

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and you can join us for that live talk

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by professor paul willis

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later on in the year i'll be speaking

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for the bay area skeptics

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in the san francisco bay area about the

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great australian prediction project

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and in november we have the australian

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skeptics and new zealand skeptics

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combined national conventions more

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details about that

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00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,119
in the coming weeks with announcements

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of our special guest speakers

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and we hope to have that partially in

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00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,359
person but uh

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we just don't know at the moment so

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regardless it will be online

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in some form or another but for this

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week

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this is richard saunders signing off

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from lockdown

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone podcast

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00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:48,440
please visit our website at

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www.skepticzone.tv

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01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,400
going back to 2008. you can follow the

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via patreon or paypal the skeptic zone

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podcast

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is an independent production the views

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01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:17,520
and opinions expressed on the skeptic

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01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,920
zone

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01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,920
are not necessarily those of australian

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01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:21,839
skeptics or any other

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01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:36,710
conspiracy theorists lack critical

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01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:44,870
sorry

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um okay

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01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,309
let's see i can kick them all by myself

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and goldfish are going to be dead in the

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water

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oh god i already read this and i still

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can't help but laugh